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Old 03-03-2008, 07:53 PM
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They are terrorists, but they still have human rights. Even if they don't respect ours, it would be against the founding document of our nation to act against theirs.

Alright Mormon, there's two points here. One is ethical, one is more practical. I'll cover both. Comprehensively.

First, the practical. You say that even bits and pieces derived from soldiers who know nothing but their orders will help resolve a greater strategy. Now, the terrorists that take up arms have no greater strategy. They desire only to sow chaos. Even if you were to torture them, anything you get could not be trusted. If you threaten them with their lives and excruciating pain for information they don't have, they are forced to make something up. If they do know something, they might lie anyway, since they know they're going to end up dead, and as long as it ends the pain they'll say anything regardless of validity.

As for the ethical, you said the following:
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The terrorist forces are small and the people who join them know what they're getting into. They hate us with a bloody passion and would do anything to see the U.S. go down. They torture our people/kill them outright while we just ask them nicely what they're doing. That's the stupid way to play war.
Now, what you are clearly saying is that since they do it to us, that justifies us doing it to them. Well, they also attack our urban centers and civilians. I'll quote the following from my early arguments.

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Naturally, this is because they have done, and are actively trying to do the same to us. They kill Americans indiscriminately, because they disagree with our government, and some members of our populace's ideals. Not because they believe every last American is purely evil, but because they believe that SOME of us are. So naturally, if human rights don't apply when they break the rules, we should start bombing urban centers in Iraq immediately.
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The previous logical argument forces you into one of two remaining admonitions:
1) Torture is wrong, because Human Rights matter
or
2) We should immediately begin killing all peoples who vaguely resemble terrorists by nationality, religion, or race.

Unfortunately issues of Morality cannot often be compromised on.
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