Cheating

[ssbmdemon18]

well...where i'm from people who usually don't use wavedashing and such...well...suck >_>

so yeah *shakes hand*

edit:I don't play many games besides ssbm so I really don't get the analogies...

[ShadowMarth]

Ok, for SC, there's a bot, it lets you "stack" buildings. If you do this with a defensive structure like a photon cannon which autonomously shoots at whatever enemy comes near, then you can but a dozen or so on one square, meaning that you don't have to worry about space consumption, a major limitation for defensive structures. It also allows your units to move more freely around.

As for the UT thing, less complicated. Headshots, all the time.

[ssbmdemon18]

so...essentially.you could both do that and just camp out all day...>_>fun.

but with wavedashing...you slide the equivelent of 5 feet(in the game)...>_> thoroughly describing wavedash would be that link I posted...

[TheEmptyPage]

Wavedashing is different from setting somethign up so that you can walk away and not worry about losing..

Wavedashing is nothign mroe than a way to move. think of it as a faster roll.

now if you still dont' agree that being able to move in a different way isn't a glitch, then do you consider rolling a glitch? it's a different way of movign, requires more than one button input.

Wavedashign: x, r/l, corntol stick
Roll: r/l, contorl stick.

all that's missing is that Rolls can lag ALOT *looks at Smaus and Yoshi*

but what about Jump cancelling Fox/Falco's shine *down b*... do you consider that cheating? it isn't said any where int he game that you can do it..

what about jump cancelled shields? cheats also i would presume?

[FoxIllusionTen]

so, marth, would you say there would be no bias here? Youve been since december 2004 and posted what, 1850 something posts. Id think people are more likely to team up with you. And if at least, we should have gone in a Gamecube forum so people could relate a little more. And how did this argument spread to cheating in general? In our chat, we were talking about SSBM when i referred to HAL possibly removing wavedash and l cancel in a SSB for the rev.. We all know cheating is wrong morally, but like ive said around 10 times before, SSBM is different, Nintendo didnt take it out though they realised it. And they dont stop it in tourneys. In other games officals run like mad to stop bugs and hacks in the game. Even on consoles, they have people to regulate tourneys. Nintendo is a well known company, with only 2 other names matching up in size and fame. I think being a leading company in the video gaming industry would lead you to take care of their games. Nintendo does fine, they regulated the fact that hyrule temple should be taken out of normal tourney play because of fox's exterme ability to snipe with his blaster from ledges. I think that IS good regulation. If they notice something character specific, i doubt they wont notice something available for ALL characters.

If you keep saying that nintendo doesnt regulate tourney play even after my post, you are just saying nintendo officials are the dumbest fools in gaming to notice blaster spamming but not the pivitol l cancel.

Also, if you want to see major l cancel in action, do Link's dair and l cancel it, he wll pull hsi sword out almost instantly and is ready to go in a matter of milliseconds.

I agree with theEmptyPage, wavedashing is more physics than a glitch. Newton's 1st law, opjects in motion will stay in motion unless a force is acted upon it. Wavedashing, you ari dodge diagonally. Since you run in before the move is finished, you continue to move forward until the friction catches up to you. The characters' different traction changes the distance so thats more of game physics which were implemented into the game purposelly, obviously.

Edit: Sorry, ssbmdemon18 said that about wavedash traction too

[Sepharite]

Wow, this thread has turned from "is cheating is bad?" to "is wavedash or L-crap is cheating?"

Just ask the developers, you guys aren't going anywhere.

[TheEmptyPage]

as i'm sure some read in the new nintendo power:

"Wavedashing is a TACTIC where players slide across a board by jumping, blocking and pressing a direction in quick succession-so quick that the jump animation is actually skipped. It is hands-down the most difficult move, and it's mind-boggling to see in action. Luigi, Ice Climbers and Marh and probably the best wavedashers."

i dont' see anything about it being a cheat. or anything like that.

And to the person above me, the topic started off as this anyways >_>

but cheating isn't fun until you've beat the game once w/o cheats.

if i beat a gmae THEN i consider it ok to cheat as much as i like, but if it's some kinda of fighting game/rpg i wouldn't fight other people on my cheat file, that just woulnd't be right.

so there,


also, just so i know, if anyone read my prevoius posts tell me if you think all that i said is cheating or not >_>

to me, the only thing that's close to "cheatign" w/o ar is Sheik's down throw chain and Peach's wall bombings and anythign else that can be used to stall a match.

[FoxIllusionTen]

i called wavedashing a tactic as well and in the chat, shadow called my a cheating fanboy in response. I guess hes calling Nintendo cheating fanboys as well. Whats he doing on a nintendo forum anyway then.... What a hypocrite.

[ShadowMarth]

Ok, ok. It stops here. I had no knowledge of these "techniques" before you, and the information you gave me is all I had to make my opinion on. Therefore, it was your information I made that decision on, so if you don't like it then you should have known your facts better. I admit I probably should have researched the subject a bit more before making judgement, but regardless of whether these moves are cheating or not, the subject was meant to be about cheating in general, not just about these moves.

[FoxIllusionTen]

well, thats why you shouldve done research before you went tramping on about how all cheats are the same and SSBM is no different.

Well, then i dont know what SSBM is in here in the first place. L cancel and wavedash is not the same as any other cheat and therefore in a whole other league of its own.

Cheating in general, i dislike. But you cant complile SSBM with all other cheats. So besides what u call "cheating" in SSBM, i hate cheats, only to be used to increase replay value.

Edit: I meant to say you CANT compile SSBM with others