Creation Vs. Evolution

[bignds]

I thought you were a practising christian shadowmarth?

[ShadowMarth]

I am. What in my posts says anything against that? I don't think in any way that science and religion should be confused, and I don't think that everyone should be screaming that "the end is near" as they have for the past several hundred years. There's also corruption abounding in all forms of religion thanks to some morons deciding to try and make money off of it.

[bignds]

Didnt mean to offend, just wondering since all your posts seem to be sway more to evolution and and far away from creation.

[Sir Realism]

Originally Posted by shadowmarth

Evolution has more evidence than most fields of science due to its interest, and several times more evidence than that for the existance of god

Hmm... Interesting. Please state a source or a piece of evidence that works as a fact for evolution. Im sorry, I could find none. Perhaps you can enlighten us.

It says macroevolution is widely acceptedin the scientific community, a community in which everyones been brainwashed into believeing evolution. Seriously, how many leading evolutionist scientists are christian?

Originally Posted by nmaster

Macroevolution is microevolution to the point you have a new species, and is, by common sense, fact as well, just without proof at the current time. If you think about it, if microevolution is true, than macroevolution must be true, because macroevolution is just the result of many, many, many, many microevolutions.

Then tell us, where are the thousands of transitional fossils darwin told us therll be?

Ill pose an argument against the evolutionists: How did the giraffe get its neck? If it had a long neck to begin with, it would have killed itself from hbp when it ducked or vice versa. If it didnt have a long neck, then where would its advanced circulatory system have come from? It wouldnt have needed it.

[bignds]

Damn, has no one read my first post here? I believe that is the point im trying to get across.

[Sir Realism]

"Mutation rates have numbered .00000006 abnormalities (in a gene) per generation in lab analyses."

Quite small dont you think? And beneficial mutations are what, .0000000000001 percent of all that? I think you covered that in your first post anyways. Circular logic.

[ShadowMarth]

There are thousands of transitional fossils! Get your head out of the ground! If there's any brainwashing going on, it's by the churches. I've gone to several different churches in my years, and some of them used extremely underhanded means to get new people into it. Sure, getting new people into is is good, but not at the cost of decency. Just because you don't like to look around doesn't mean there's no evidence. How old are you? In freshman biology there's lots of evidence laid out very plainly for evolution. Here's a tip: research. Some suggested reading. From a single website.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heredity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Mendel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_...nary_synthesis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiversity

If you're going to get rediculous (i.e. accuse the worldwide sceintific community of brainwashing each other), then I don't have any reason to argue with you.

[Sir Realism]

Look at it this way, if you were raised with a certain perspective taught, you will look for evidence supporting it. Atheists learn evolution in class and then take that perspective, effective brainwashing. They dont feel like teaching anything that opposes it, eh?

Excuse me? Thousands of transitional fossils? Show me a direct source. From what I know, there are but a few fossils that are currently being debated upon. By the way, wikipedia is a go in, change anything site. Not as reliable as some other sites, just wanted to point that out.

Freshman biology, wtf? You learn biology in 10th grade (currently mine). 15, if that matters.

[Pilot_51]

Here's a question: If geological changes occur slowly as evolutionists say, how did such large fossils get preserved in their original form? Wouldn't most of the bones if not all get washed away by weather or decomposed by other means?

As for churches that brainwash, I believe that's true with some denominations like maybe Catholicism. The ones I'm involved in (Baptist) only go about as far as most of us go, simply trying to convert others by using information we believe to be true, without any kind of force. On both sides, there's the kinds of people that would do anything to convert people, including brainwashing, and there's the kinds that want to tell people about it and let them consciously choose for themselves.

Many of the evidences of evolution you support come under heavy attack and I don't think anything has really been proven against Creation, it's only evidence that can lean either way. If anything clearly disproves either, it would probably kill it to a pulp really quick unless it was kept secluded from the masses (which likely wouldn't happen). The evidence just supports what people want it to support, which right now is both evolution and Creation.
Most of the Bible can't be proven, such as the existence of God, but there's many simple scientific facts in the Bible that I'm focused on in this debate, which is things such as Earth being round or the stars being made of burning gases, things that were "discovered" in recent centuries.
Also, there's many prophecies in the Bible, all of which became true or are yet to come. The Tribulation, as I said, cannot be known, people even in the days of the Biblical writings believed it would be in their lifetime. The Bible also says to be prepared for it, but to continue life as if it weren't going to happen in your life, because it surely might not. There's a lot of evidence that it could be soon, such as mention of a seal that you need to have on your hand or forehead to buy or sell anything (possibly the RFID that's only optional now), and a huge increase in a false belief (evolution). It might not be soon, it could be very different than what most Christians think of it now, but it seems quite logical considering so many factors that would make it a reasonable time.
Show me one piece of science that the Bible mentions as truth that has been proven false and then I'll begin questioning my belief, I bet you can't... And if you ask me the same question about evolution, just watch those videos I linked.

[nmaster64]

Originally Posted by ShadowMarth

I don't see why anyone thinks it's some big "coincidence" that the world came out this way from a random explosion.

That goes in the top ten stupidest statements I've ever heard. Period. You need to exit this conversation just for that sentence.

And Pilot, that bastard in the video is so biased against evolution I can't see straight. He insults Darwin by saying that he said birds are related to bananas, and then goes on to say the only thing living things may have evolved from is a higher power. I'd call him at best an open-minded preacher, not a scientist.

Arrgghh, this argument kind of drives of me crazy, because there shouldn't be any argument, regardless of proof or belief or whatever. Common friggin' sense gives the answer to this.

Everyone agrees in the theory of Survival of the Fittest, correct? (if you don't, your officially retarted) Well, then your at least admitting to believing in microevolution, which, for the record, is a fact. If all other forms of evolution are just extreme examples of this, then there ya go, the theory's proven. Just because people are too narrow-minded to think in terms of billions of years, or because they can't concieve it taking such a long time for a monkey to stand up straight and gain 100 times the brain capacity, doesn't disprove anything. There is NO evidence to disprove evolution, although there is some that suggests it. I admit there may be no absolute proof of macroevolution, and it may very well be that an example of it has never even occured in the Earth's lifespan, but still by reason alone the theory is true, and there is no good argument against it other than someone just being stubborn or stupid.

Creation follows a similar path. It can neither be created nor proven. While there are phenomenom to possibly support creationism, it is actually a complete impossibility to disprove it in any fashion. Of course, creationism is much more faith-based that evolution, but still it holds simply because it has too. No amount of science can explain existence in itself. None. No matter how much you might want to believe that the basic laws of physics magically threw together this perfectly laid out universe with this one planet with the perfect conditions for life and actual life, there's just no way that happened without at least a small bit of divine intervention. And that's just the bottom line. If you still wanna argue that point, I present to you the simple paradox: what created the matter than went 'bang'? Yeah, there's NO answer to that, the fact is the human mind literally cannot comprehend the answer to that, so faith can be the only answer.

Boom. Done. End of discussion. What's next? The purpose of life? Why are we here? Why does everything taste like chicken?

Arguing something like this is worse than arguing about video games with a group of opposing fanboys...