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Old 21-03-2006, 01:29 AM
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Creation Vs. Evolution

State your position then tell us why.

dj Sir Realism: Creationist because of numerous evidence supporting it. Is also a Protestant Christian.
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Old 21-03-2006, 02:07 AM
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I'm for Creation because all the evidence I've seen is strongly leaning toward it.
Kent Hovind is a very popular Creation evangelist with several videos on Google Video about Creation vs. evolution, it's very strong on many focal points of evidence and should be interesting for anyone seriously looking for the truth.
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Old 21-03-2006, 02:11 AM
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Quite sad that no gov't sites will put anything supporting Creation on their sites. Says its for separation of church and state. Yeah right.

"Evolution survives on censorship."
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Old 21-03-2006, 04:19 AM
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Ok, so your idea of separation of church and state is that they work together? That's a direct contradiction.

Let me take a short little stab at the basis of this article. You can't prove christianity. Sure, you can prove that parts of the bible are true, but that doesn't at all prove that there's a god. It proves that someone built a really big boat. It proves that someone had a big fight with someone else. It doesn't prove the existence of an all-powerful entity that rules over the world. By definition, the only way we could get absolute proof is from him himself (or her). And as I see it, giving any absolute proof would deny faith, and what is the Christian religion about if not faith? So, proving parts of the bible wrong is all good. Proving parts of evolution wrong, hey, that's what Science is about. But trying to say one proves the other wrong is simply idiotic.
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Old 21-03-2006, 03:52 PM
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im on the side of evolution myself. we simply have too many things in common with other animals in terms of our physical build to have been created as a seperate species. evolution theory isnt perfect by any means but the explanations given just make more sense to me. personally i have no faith in the bible or religion as a whole (except the jedi order of course :P) so creation theory is a hard tablet to swallow.
in saying that i do also question evolution theory. there are holes the size of busses in it. for example i do believe that we evolved from a type of ape. i do believe in dinos, i believe that all life on the planet started as microscopic organisms. however my question is where did those organisms come from? maybe a meteor? maybe theres a process of mixing light and water to create organisms? i dont think we yet know. but i dont accept the idea that a god simply created us out of nothing...its to easy and convienient an explanation
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Old 21-03-2006, 04:11 PM
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creation ftw! evolution is for homos! =P

creation makes more sense than evolution does right now, and besides im mormon so of course i go with creation.

yea, whales evolved from goats. yeaaaaaa right. i think they need to research it a little bit more before they throw out crap like that =P
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Old 21-03-2006, 04:26 PM
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Im creation purely of my religion, the fact i have faith, and evolution has too many loop holes.
I study science quite a bit and i find it hard to believe that such a dramitic change can happen in such a short(you know what i mean) time. Small environmental changes CAN happen, dont get me wrong about that, i can prove that sitting here, but thats in terms of adaptation, which is why we believe evolution takes place. Now, if we belive darwins theory, which is a 'theory' nothing more, evolution is based around adaptation, if we adaptated, then it wouldnt make any sense, seeing as how the climate was genuinly alot colder back then, we lost our 'fur' to adaptate? No, that wouldnt be smart, so its adaptation then. So the only possible answer that in any relates to dawins theory is mutation, which believe me, something entirly different. Which would mean a freak group of about 5 or so apes starting mutating drastically. Even if this were to have had happened, then dawins theory is proven wrong there, evolution is based on adaptation/survival of the fittest, but if we adapted to survive and lost our fur in a geniunly colder climate, how is that adapting to survive? im repeating my self i know, but its for the point. So then itll have to be mutation which in hand is proving dawins theory wrong and now we're going round in circles, its for the above stated and alot of other things which is why i dont believe in evolution.
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Old 21-03-2006, 04:26 PM
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Evolution by Intelligent Design. Any other position is retarted or just plain stupid. If you don't believe in evolution, your just denying common sense and simple facts. And if you don't believe in creationism of some form, you think us intelligent beings developed from soup, or that a giant explosion magically fit all the pieces of the universe together perfectly, which is the equivalent of me blowing up a computer shop and all the pieces falling together to make a PC.

A combination of both Evolution and Creation is the only theory that makes any sense whatsoever. Period.
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Old 21-03-2006, 05:01 PM
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Ok, I like your view Nmaster, I always wondered why every christian insisted that they knew all the facts better than scientists, even when the basic evidence is right in front of their faces, but I don't quite agree with your second part. The big bang didn't simply blow up and stars flew out, only the most basic of particles flew out. It took millions of years for them to pull together into atoms, and then basic elements. At this point, the clouds of gas lucky enough to slowly pull together eventually (and extremely slowly) pull together to form massive, basically all-hydrodgen stars. Of course, nuclear fusion takes over, and these are fused into dozens of larger elements, all the way up to iron, the nuclear fusion dropoff. After that, the stars die, and scatter their elements to the winds. Millions of these stars had to live and die to scatter their elements. Once the heavier elements came together however in large clouds, eventually solar systems formed. It's simple gravity.
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Old 21-03-2006, 06:29 PM
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What nmaster said is partially right. Microevolution is present everywhere, microevolution would technically be evolution but true darwinism draws from macroevolution which has never been seen or recorded in fossil form. If animals really changed species, we would have thousands of fossils showing that but what do we have, nothing.
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