The debate that started in the "does your pet loves ds?" thread

[Pilot_51]

Yeah, it essentially is picking the lesser of two evils. That's politics for you.

By the way, are we debating politics or false opinions (or whatever you want to call it) which Mormon managed to shape into politics seemingly for the purpose of avoiding the topic against him?

Do you care to tell me what makes me so naive or would you rather be killed by it?

[Mormon]

Wow, you act like I'm trying to avoid something big against me?

You're just far too naive to understand that arguing the case of something you don't necessarily believe does not mean you're lying.

[arthur_is_tight]

I don't think that Mormon was really trying to offend anyone I think he was joking and the comment that he said "As you may have noticed, I really don't care if I offend people on the internetz." I think he was just trying to be tough
ok so lets all just forget about the this whole debate, and go back to the original subject about DSs and Pets

[Wraith]

It doesn't matter if he was joking or not, Pilot was saying that what he said gave him a bad image (lying or not). i bet if any one new came and read that they would try to avoid Mormon and such.

[Pilot_51]

The problem is that while I know Mormon jokes around a lot and makes his jokes look like serious comments, I also don't find it hard to believe Mormon has little care for the feelings of people online and little respect for the intelligence of people online. The way he "jokes" around is evidence of that.
Look at the dictionary for the definition of "joke", it's defined as something to make people laugh and nowhere does it say anything about being a false comment. It wasn't quite a joke, it was more like kidding, and you all should've learned long ago that kidding is also lying.

About me being naive, you apparently haven't been paying attention to what I've been saying. The way you presented it in your example, it's not lying. Arguing the case of say, one of the objectives that a candidate has when you don't support that candidate, also isn't lying. Pretending to support the candidate when you really don't is lying, which in simple terms almost means you'd need to say "I support this candidate". You can even say "I think this candidate would make a good president" while not supporting that candidate and still not be lying.
My whole point (against you) about lying has been focused on your comment about not caring about people on the internet, not on arguing for something you don't believe in.
I'm not saying you're trying to avoid something big against you, I'm just saying you seem to be avoiding the topic against you because you're constantly shaping the argument to focus on "arguing the case of something you don't believe". As a matter of fact I don't recall if you've said anything in this "debate" that even acknowledges the existence of your earlier comment (the one I keep trying to focus on).

I'm not debating whether anything that already happened is morally correct or anything, that's not worth debating. I'm debating whether the attitude, or the way of speaking that Mormon has more often than rarely is morally correct. If it can make anything better, the debate will go on until some sort of agreement can be made or one of us drops out of it. I hate debates, but my passion for making something better through debating outweighs that. Debates compose most of the drama that TDS ever gets, and I prefer that to breakups of relationships and people just having a bad day, which makes up most of the rest of the drama.
Maybe the debate posts should be moved into a new thread in the Debate forum so this thread can get back on topic, I might just do that. Edit: Ok, I just did that.

[Wraith]

But if you are debating over something you don't beleive in is sometimes needed.

[Pilot_51]

Of course, like I don't believe in lying as being good for anything, so I'm debating about it.
I think you're a little out of the loop. Have you read all the posts in this thread or while they were in the other thread?

[Wraith]

Yes i did. Im just putting up a new point that sometimes you have to debate/argue on something that you don't beleive in.
But anyway
not going to post on this topic anymore cause it looks like its going no where.

[arthur_is_tight]

Originally Posted by Pilot_51

The problem is that while I know Mormon jokes around a lot and makes his jokes look like serious comments, I also don't find it hard to believe Mormon has little care for the feelings of people online and little respect for the intelligence of people online. The way he "jokes" around is evidence of that.
Look at the dictionary for the definition of "joke", it's defined as something to make people laugh and nowhere does it say anything about being a false comment. It wasn't quite a joke, it was more like kidding, and you all should've learned long ago that kidding is also lying.

About me being naive, you apparently haven't been paying attention to what I've been saying. The way you presented it in your example, it's not lying. Arguing the case of say, one of the objectives that a candidate has when you don't support that candidate, also isn't lying. Pretending to support the candidate when you really don't is lying, which in simple terms almost means you'd need to say "I support this candidate". You can even say "I think this candidate would make a good president" while not supporting that candidate and still not be lying.
My whole point (against you) about lying has been focused on your comment about not caring about people on the internet, not on arguing for something you don't believe in.
I'm not saying you're trying to avoid something big against you, I'm just saying you seem to be avoiding the topic against you because you're constantly shaping the argument to focus on "arguing the case of something you don't believe". As a matter of fact I don't recall if you've said anything in this "debate" that even acknowledges the existence of your earlier comment (the one I keep trying to focus on).

I'm not debating whether anything that already happened is morally correct or anything, that's not worth debating. I'm debating whether the attitude, or the way of speaking that Mormon has more often than rarely is morally correct. If it can make anything better, the debate will go on until some sort of agreement can be made or one of us drops out of it. I hate debates, but my passion for making something better through debating outweighs that. Debates compose most of the drama that TDS ever gets, and I prefer that to breakups of relationships and people just having a bad day, which makes up most of the rest of the drama.
Maybe the debate posts should be moved into a new thread in the Debate forum so this thread can get back on topic, I might just do that. Edit: Ok, I just did that.

Wait is this whole post about me
cause if it is then I just wanna say that I am very very very sorry

[Mormon]

So you're basically saying kidding around is morally wrong?