Snaking

Originally Posted by fischju

its called "rival" selection

no its not lmao how come i'll go into rivals and play a kid thats 1-6 and also play a kid thats 300-23? im like 80-84 or something like that. it seems rivals is just another word for "worldwide"

edit: and shadow lets not go into personal attacks here, i only did to instigator because he exercised it himself >_>

[jjgamepro17]

yeah i know i am about 300-300 and the only reason i have so many loses is because my little bros and sis played my ds without permission and screwed it all up. but anyway it matched me up with people even with 0w-0l

[Frisky_Biscuits]

i actually havent played in that yet, but Fox i think u lost this argument :D

[Sir Realism]

Originally Posted by shadowmarth

Ok, you seem to be big into analogies, and I don't have time to adress each one, so I'll put it simply. Each of the instances you said were purposefully built into the game. Reaver drops are a normal strategy, after all, it is a strategy game. This isn't a strategy game, and this isn't reaver dropping. And not many people know how to do it? Come on, it's a basic protoss tactic. EVERYBODY knows how to do it. EVERYBODY knows how to defend against it. It's a carefully tuned balance of the game. Snaking unbalances the game. That alone doesn't make it a cheat, but it does make it cheap.

But it certainly is a game of skill which both games clearly require. I dont think the game makers were developing starcraft with the purpose of smooth reaver dropping in mind. Neither were they when they made MKDS. They expect the gamer to figure these things out.

If you played a couple games online, you would quickly find snaking. Therefore, there should be NO excuses.

Some stages, snaking is absolutely devastating. The balance is there.

Originally Posted by shadowmarth

You've given many "similar" examples of elements built into the game. I have to wonder, why havn't you actually adressed the issue? You've danced around it with your motion bomb talk (completely sensless and rediculous example), and atacking starcraft is a moronic attempt. However, you havn't changed the fact that it is in fact a cheat. For all your fine tuned elaborations, and sarcastic exaggerations, you've yet to give me any reason to think it's not. I've, however, given more than enough reason to conclusively decide that it is.

If you hadnt noticed already, the "moronic" and "ridiculous" examples were given to show just how easily Urgh...RIP!!!'s logic could be shattered. You are simply calling his knowledge "moronic" and "ridiculous".

Originally Posted by shadowmarth

I've, however, given more than enough reason to conclusively decide that it is.

Patience. I was previously arguing with the COD2 pwner. Please state an example that would be directed toward you that you say has given you more reason to think it as an exploit.

[Mario Famous]

lol your right,rivals does the exact same thing as worldwide,I reember I first started out 0-0,and I was put against a guy 356-254, I was like WTF?!

[Frisky_Biscuits]

DUDE...what the hell are u talking about??? u didnt shatter anything of mine because ur damn examples make no sense at all!!! there is no balance when sumone uses snaking, there is no chance for n e one else, therefore the balance is way off!!

[jjgamepro17]

its too late fox...YOU BLEW IT!!!!!! overall snakeing is cheating and thats that. yeah you do have to do it some times if ur worried about you r record. oh yeah the other thing i hate is when they are about to lose and break the connection and turn there systems off and you dont get the point

[Frisky_Biscuits]

thank u jj, u already lost fox so u are just trying insults to get ur points across

[ShadowMarth]

You think blizzard didn't think of reaver dropping? Have you ever played a blizzard game? As for the other part, I simply have to be able to conclude it's an exploit:

From my understanding, it's rather simple. Unlike the true snaking of F-Zero GX. Speaking of which, the snaking of GX was undoubtably built into the game. How do I know? The staff ghosts used it. Hmm, what do you know, can't say the same about MK. I never snaked against my friends in GX, simply because I would blow them away, but I didn't consider it cheating because it was clearly built in, once more, unlike in MK.

Ah yes, good point. The lack of the AI doing so, however, isn't 100% confirmation, but it does go towards the point that it's not part of the game. None of the Staff Ghosts doing it might as well be full confirmation.

edit: and yea its programmed into the game, for turns. and cheats ARE programmed into the game, o all-knowing moron. i wonder why saying "power overwhelming" in starcraft makes your units invincible... could it be that the programmers put it in there?!?!? NO WAY!!! thats programmed into the game... so thats not cheating... right? ._.

That's simply using powersliding as it's intended, around turns. Snaking is when you powerslide back and forth right and left very quickly on a stright area, in order to gain lots of extra speed on a straight path. It's not extremely hard to do, but it's extremely annoying when someone very good at snaking does it practically the whole course and blows fair players out of the water.

Also, it's annoying how snakers never pick any courses that require skill (also known as fun courses), because that would make it harder to snake. Oddly they still claim it both requires and is justified by skill.

^^ little abridgment in bold

The fact that people do it doens't make it any less cheating. The fact that it can take skill doesn't mean it's any less cheating. I can go on forever. It doesn't have to have a code to be a cheat. It's called an exploit. To not realize it you'd have to be a complete noob.

You want more solid proof? Watch the video of the match with the NOA developers. Even the developers don't snake.

uhm, that definition is exactly what snaking is man...

Edit: On a side note, we seem to have even convinced JJ. I suggest you try to see our side. I see yours, and I used to be the same way. Then I developed morals and a better concept of what is indeed right.

[Mario Famous]

This is enough talk about snaking,you guys r bringin back old memories about snaking the toilet...If you snake, you snake,if you don't, you don't,when you complain about losing to a snaker,you should of listen to reason.